niklshah
05-25 12:44 PM
so the amendmants which were linked to war bill are differant than all this HR bills.....?
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06-11 08:16 PM
Who is this guy selling mangoes ?
Admin, can we have any control on such posts.
Admin, can we have any control on such posts.
arihant
03-13 12:26 PM
Here is a link to the following article:
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=33580&dcn=todaysnews
Looks like they have not come to the immigration issues yet.
Senate panel votes to double size of border force
By Michael Posner, CongressDaily
The Senate Judiciary Committee voted Thursday to add more border agents, investigators and fencing to stem rising illegal immigration as it worked its way through a major immigration reform bill.
In its third day of marking up the bill, the committee discussed nearly 30 amendments, approving a dozen of them by voice vote and postponing the rest for action next week.
In action during the day, the committee agreed to authorize over five years more than 10,000 new customs and border patrol agents, 1,000 investigators, and 1,250 port of entry inspectors. There was a dispute between Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., principal author of the amendment to boost the number of border agents, and Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., over exactly how many border patrol agents would be added in addition to the 11,300 border agents now. Committee staff said they would have to resolve the exact numbers later.
In addition, the committee adopted also by voice an amendment by Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., to replace some existing fencing in Arizona and add more than 200 miles of barriers to improve border security in Arizona only. Sessions has said he planned to offer an amendment on the Senate floor to put up some 700 miles of fencing to block off some of the 2,000 miles of U.S. border with Mexico. The committee also agreed to an amendment by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., for a study to study the feasibility of more fencing along the entire border.
The committee made more progress than it did Wednesday when only three relatively minor amendments were adopted after spending all day with many senators absent, preventing a voting quorum.
"We're on our way," said Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., Thursday. "We had a good session." Specter is trying to meet a target set by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to start debate on an immigration bill on March 27. Specter indicated yesterday it might not meet that goal because of the slow pace of deciding on amendments.
The committee is working its way through a 306-page draft proposed by Specter to beef up enforcement and deal with the estimated 11 million illegal aliens living in the United States by allowing qualified undocumented workers to continue working as a way to earn eventual citizenship. He also has proposed a separate guest worker program allowing foreigners to enter the country for up to six years to take jobs that cannot be filled.
Both provisions are highly controversial and are considered the heart of the bill but debate on those matters will not take place until next week at the earliest. The committee plans to work next Wednesday and Thursday on immigration.
The House passed a bill last year that deals mainly with enforcement and does not address the thorny guest worker issue.
In other amendments, the committee agreed to a Feinstein amendment to allow immigrants to stay in the United States if it was discovered their papers or passports were falsified. The immigrants would have to prove there was "a credible fear of prosecution" as the reason passports were forged to get out of countries with dictatorships.
A Sessions' plan was approved that would jail immigrants found to be illegal instead of releasing them pending immigration hearings. He argued many of those released never show up for immigration hearings and disappear. Sessions also won committee endorsement to make it a crime to run a vehicle past a customs checkpoint without stopping.
Three amendments by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, met no opposition. One would require the Department of Homeland Security to make public foreign ownership of management operations that involve national security as a way to prevent officials being surprised by situations like the Dubai port management controversy.
A Grassley proposal to allocate more immigration investigators to inland states like Iowa won easy approval. So did one to make immigrants convicted of drunk driving one of the crimes subject to deportation.
An amendment by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., extending a law allowing foreign doctors to practice in mainly rural areas with physician shortages, also gained approval.
And an amendment by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., for expedited deportation instead of incarcerating convicted illegal immigrants was also accepted. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Tex., won approval of his proposal to bar violent criminals from sponsoring foreigners seeking entry into the United States.
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=33580&dcn=todaysnews
Looks like they have not come to the immigration issues yet.
Senate panel votes to double size of border force
By Michael Posner, CongressDaily
The Senate Judiciary Committee voted Thursday to add more border agents, investigators and fencing to stem rising illegal immigration as it worked its way through a major immigration reform bill.
In its third day of marking up the bill, the committee discussed nearly 30 amendments, approving a dozen of them by voice vote and postponing the rest for action next week.
In action during the day, the committee agreed to authorize over five years more than 10,000 new customs and border patrol agents, 1,000 investigators, and 1,250 port of entry inspectors. There was a dispute between Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., principal author of the amendment to boost the number of border agents, and Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., over exactly how many border patrol agents would be added in addition to the 11,300 border agents now. Committee staff said they would have to resolve the exact numbers later.
In addition, the committee adopted also by voice an amendment by Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., to replace some existing fencing in Arizona and add more than 200 miles of barriers to improve border security in Arizona only. Sessions has said he planned to offer an amendment on the Senate floor to put up some 700 miles of fencing to block off some of the 2,000 miles of U.S. border with Mexico. The committee also agreed to an amendment by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., for a study to study the feasibility of more fencing along the entire border.
The committee made more progress than it did Wednesday when only three relatively minor amendments were adopted after spending all day with many senators absent, preventing a voting quorum.
"We're on our way," said Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., Thursday. "We had a good session." Specter is trying to meet a target set by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to start debate on an immigration bill on March 27. Specter indicated yesterday it might not meet that goal because of the slow pace of deciding on amendments.
The committee is working its way through a 306-page draft proposed by Specter to beef up enforcement and deal with the estimated 11 million illegal aliens living in the United States by allowing qualified undocumented workers to continue working as a way to earn eventual citizenship. He also has proposed a separate guest worker program allowing foreigners to enter the country for up to six years to take jobs that cannot be filled.
Both provisions are highly controversial and are considered the heart of the bill but debate on those matters will not take place until next week at the earliest. The committee plans to work next Wednesday and Thursday on immigration.
The House passed a bill last year that deals mainly with enforcement and does not address the thorny guest worker issue.
In other amendments, the committee agreed to a Feinstein amendment to allow immigrants to stay in the United States if it was discovered their papers or passports were falsified. The immigrants would have to prove there was "a credible fear of prosecution" as the reason passports were forged to get out of countries with dictatorships.
A Sessions' plan was approved that would jail immigrants found to be illegal instead of releasing them pending immigration hearings. He argued many of those released never show up for immigration hearings and disappear. Sessions also won committee endorsement to make it a crime to run a vehicle past a customs checkpoint without stopping.
Three amendments by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, met no opposition. One would require the Department of Homeland Security to make public foreign ownership of management operations that involve national security as a way to prevent officials being surprised by situations like the Dubai port management controversy.
A Grassley proposal to allocate more immigration investigators to inland states like Iowa won easy approval. So did one to make immigrants convicted of drunk driving one of the crimes subject to deportation.
An amendment by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., extending a law allowing foreign doctors to practice in mainly rural areas with physician shortages, also gained approval.
And an amendment by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., for expedited deportation instead of incarcerating convicted illegal immigrants was also accepted. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Tex., won approval of his proposal to bar violent criminals from sponsoring foreigners seeking entry into the United States.
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malaGCPahije
07-16 11:31 AM
Even though I am a recurring contributor and I contribute to IV on top of my recurring contributions I had to make a contribution towards this campaign. Keep up the Good Work. See Details below:
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Recurring contribution of $5 or $10 a month is a fantastic idea for this campaign. I am going to set this up myself. I would urge you all who do not have recurring contribution setup to do so too. $5 a month would not make a lot of difference to anyone. But it would make a lot of difference to IV if it happens each month.
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Memo: High Five Campaign
Recurring contribution of $5 or $10 a month is a fantastic idea for this campaign. I am going to set this up myself. I would urge you all who do not have recurring contribution setup to do so too. $5 a month would not make a lot of difference to anyone. But it would make a lot of difference to IV if it happens each month.
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ssnd03
04-02 03:18 PM
You don't need to be harsh on your comments. You can go ahead and file a case with USCIS. That's what I've been saying here all the time.
Calling me a numbskull I think is inappropriate. You can disagree with me and I can disagree with you which is the essence of this forum but not to abuse each other.
I didn't call you numbskull and I will never call anyone numbskull, so I guess you owe me an apology.
No you or D.E.D. do not deserve an apology for being numbskulls as you both have an agenda of fear mongering so that folks do not raise voices for legitimate reasons.
Calling me a numbskull I think is inappropriate. You can disagree with me and I can disagree with you which is the essence of this forum but not to abuse each other.
I didn't call you numbskull and I will never call anyone numbskull, so I guess you owe me an apology.
No you or D.E.D. do not deserve an apology for being numbskulls as you both have an agenda of fear mongering so that folks do not raise voices for legitimate reasons.
acecupid
08-17 09:57 PM
What if you spend 3-4 K in the new GC process, and after writing these letters USCIS wakes up and release statistics that they have 2000 EB-3 I pending for 2002/2003 and 1000 for 2004 will you still go ahead ? I guess for us the most important thing is to know how many cases are really pending. As I am not filing a new EB-2 and what if there are 15K cases in 2002/2003 and 50K in 2004, I'll be sitting here all my life looking at Visa bulletins :o
You are forgetting the re-distribution of spill over rules which has affected the processing speed of different categories. So it doesnt matter how many numbers are pending in EB3 past years, its surely greater than the country limits based on past visa usage data. So it does make a lot of sense to port to EB2. Some one who applied in EB2 India in 2008 is likely to get GC before someone who applied in EB3 India 2003/2004 based on current situation.
You are forgetting the re-distribution of spill over rules which has affected the processing speed of different categories. So it doesnt matter how many numbers are pending in EB3 past years, its surely greater than the country limits based on past visa usage data. So it does make a lot of sense to port to EB2. Some one who applied in EB2 India in 2008 is likely to get GC before someone who applied in EB3 India 2003/2004 based on current situation.
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villamonte6100
04-02 01:57 PM
Villamonte,
Thanks for ur support and understanding. I think we better let these guys take a shot at what they are about to do. Immature and narrow minded is what they are and thats how they wanna be. Looks like they've been watching those Indian vigilante movies a lot and they think that they can get away with fighting a foreign Govt agency. They'll understand what we meant when they receive a cold shoulder from USCIS :D.
Peace out!
D-E-D
No worries mate. Just trying to help clear things but I get rebutted all the time and I'm sure they are misinterpreting me.
I have nothing against them and as part of IV, I am just voicing an opinion which they could reject politely.
Some of the comments on my comments are really harsh as if I am personally attacking them.
You are right, it will be tough to dig into an agency that does approve your status here.
They can do whatever they want and good luck to them.
BTW, I used to have several red dots before and I don't know why they changed it to green. They still have a block on one of my IP address.
Thanks for ur support and understanding. I think we better let these guys take a shot at what they are about to do. Immature and narrow minded is what they are and thats how they wanna be. Looks like they've been watching those Indian vigilante movies a lot and they think that they can get away with fighting a foreign Govt agency. They'll understand what we meant when they receive a cold shoulder from USCIS :D.
Peace out!
D-E-D
No worries mate. Just trying to help clear things but I get rebutted all the time and I'm sure they are misinterpreting me.
I have nothing against them and as part of IV, I am just voicing an opinion which they could reject politely.
Some of the comments on my comments are really harsh as if I am personally attacking them.
You are right, it will be tough to dig into an agency that does approve your status here.
They can do whatever they want and good luck to them.
BTW, I used to have several red dots before and I don't know why they changed it to green. They still have a block on one of my IP address.
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09-11 08:52 PM
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uma001
05-05 02:55 PM
Are you guys calling during work hours?
Are you guys calling from cell phone?
Are you guys calling from cell phone?
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sufferer
02-07 10:06 AM
Hi,
I been a member of IV for a long time and just to keep myself anonymous for a while I created this account. I am so sorry for opening a thread in a completely irrelevant forum but I have no idea what to do. So, I request all the members to please help me by providing some kind of information.
Here is my story:
I came to US in 2002 and completed masters and been working since then. I got married couple of years ago. Whatever the monetary gifts the girls parents gave as part of the marriage, I put all that in an account on the girls name within 2 days of the marriage. We came to India and from then on the problems started. She and her parents want me to separate from my parents and support their family by sending money to their parents which I couldn't do. How can I leave my parents in their old age when they worked very hard to give a decent life. She has been harassing me mentally for this all the time. Recently her parents have been threatening me saying they will file dowry case in India if I don't send money or cut myself off from my parents. I provided for the girl in all possible ways, even encouraged her to join school to get a masters degree which she stopped soon. We had a baby recently and my parents visited us to help us with the baby. She started harassing them too by saying something or other.
I am very frustrated at this situation and I don't know what to do. I am on H1B and applied for 485 too. At times I feel like applying for divorce but when I think about my little baby I am not able to take that step. The house we currently live in, I bought long before the marriage. It came to a situation where we cannot live together. I cannot ask her to go out of the house because she doesn't have anywhere to go and with the baby even if she leaves, it will be very tough. I said I will leave the house and stay in a apartment for which she threatens to commit suicide. So, I don't know what to do. I am worried about my baby because between all this my baby's life will be spoiled and I don't want that. Can anyone please tell me what I can do in this matter?
Thank you very much for taking time to read this.
I been a member of IV for a long time and just to keep myself anonymous for a while I created this account. I am so sorry for opening a thread in a completely irrelevant forum but I have no idea what to do. So, I request all the members to please help me by providing some kind of information.
Here is my story:
I came to US in 2002 and completed masters and been working since then. I got married couple of years ago. Whatever the monetary gifts the girls parents gave as part of the marriage, I put all that in an account on the girls name within 2 days of the marriage. We came to India and from then on the problems started. She and her parents want me to separate from my parents and support their family by sending money to their parents which I couldn't do. How can I leave my parents in their old age when they worked very hard to give a decent life. She has been harassing me mentally for this all the time. Recently her parents have been threatening me saying they will file dowry case in India if I don't send money or cut myself off from my parents. I provided for the girl in all possible ways, even encouraged her to join school to get a masters degree which she stopped soon. We had a baby recently and my parents visited us to help us with the baby. She started harassing them too by saying something or other.
I am very frustrated at this situation and I don't know what to do. I am on H1B and applied for 485 too. At times I feel like applying for divorce but when I think about my little baby I am not able to take that step. The house we currently live in, I bought long before the marriage. It came to a situation where we cannot live together. I cannot ask her to go out of the house because she doesn't have anywhere to go and with the baby even if she leaves, it will be very tough. I said I will leave the house and stay in a apartment for which she threatens to commit suicide. So, I don't know what to do. I am worried about my baby because between all this my baby's life will be spoiled and I don't want that. Can anyone please tell me what I can do in this matter?
Thank you very much for taking time to read this.
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WeShallOvercome
08-12 02:12 PM
I dont understand how can the senator think it will solve anything as far as giving a job to a US citizen is concerned..
We all know how these H1 dependent companies work.
they will charge this 2K increase to the H1 employee(directly or indirectly)
and do you think someone who wants to make it to the US will mind if he gets 48K instead of 50K per year?
We all know how these H1 dependent companies work.
they will charge this 2K increase to the H1 employee(directly or indirectly)
and do you think someone who wants to make it to the US will mind if he gets 48K instead of 50K per year?
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diptam
08-08 11:00 AM
Lets all try to send this letter. I'm working with my HR to get this 7001 out - As Pappu said there should not be any reason why HR wont sign that form.
What's going on at NSC or TSC is Shame.... Peoples who applied in AUG-SEP 07 has got 140 approved at NSC where as folks back in APR-JUNE 07 is stuck and more over NSC claims that they are processing MAR 22 07 for last 5 months.
This deserves attention - I'm trying to ratchet up some pressure via Congressman and Senator's office but they are very busy these days with Presidential election , so i'm not getting the kind of help that they generally do.
FYI:
Here is a quote from an email i received from the Ombudsman's office:
"Our office is in fact at this time actively probing the I-140 situation you describe generally."
This was in response to an e-mail i sent them, describing the situation (my wife's I-140 from April 2008 got approved before mine, which was submitted, you guessed it, on July 2007)
So maybe there's some hope here, who knows.
What's going on at NSC or TSC is Shame.... Peoples who applied in AUG-SEP 07 has got 140 approved at NSC where as folks back in APR-JUNE 07 is stuck and more over NSC claims that they are processing MAR 22 07 for last 5 months.
This deserves attention - I'm trying to ratchet up some pressure via Congressman and Senator's office but they are very busy these days with Presidential election , so i'm not getting the kind of help that they generally do.
FYI:
Here is a quote from an email i received from the Ombudsman's office:
"Our office is in fact at this time actively probing the I-140 situation you describe generally."
This was in response to an e-mail i sent them, describing the situation (my wife's I-140 from April 2008 got approved before mine, which was submitted, you guessed it, on July 2007)
So maybe there's some hope here, who knows.
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Abhinaym
09-10 11:18 AM
I think these guys are just playing with our minds. They know how many applications are pending. At least they have a estimate and idea.
Now they will sit on these pending applications until the end of year and then suddenly move dates 2-3 years ahead and approve some GCs. Few will be happy and most of us will be disappointed.
Just curious, is it possible they have some reasoning to push applications to the end of the year? it'll be interesting to think of what could be the reason...
Now they will sit on these pending applications until the end of year and then suddenly move dates 2-3 years ahead and approve some GCs. Few will be happy and most of us will be disappointed.
Just curious, is it possible they have some reasoning to push applications to the end of the year? it'll be interesting to think of what could be the reason...
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Thanks. Looks like the first time contributors are motivating others. Can we (karan and I) have more contributions please? Sept18th is round the corner. Just wanted to get all 401K contributions in before people start travelling. we still have one last round after this.
Thanks. Looks like the first time contributors are motivating others. Can we (karan and I) have more contributions please? Sept18th is round the corner. Just wanted to get all 401K contributions in before people start travelling. we still have one last round after this.
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cbadari99
06-24 09:40 PM
Hasn't this been discussed already?
It does not make a difference to America, if a few hundred thousand foreign workers get their GCs today or 10 years later. The people America would really be concerned about are outstanding researchers, but then these people fall in the EB1 category which is always current and so they have no cause for complaint. The other category that the US is concerned about is cheap and illegal labor, but that is not related to GCs. So in short, there is nothing about the Eb2/Eb3 GC backlog that America needs to worry about.
The delay causes anxiety & frustration only for us applicants. So the impact is only on us.
America is not bothered about losing outstanding researchers.
It does not make a difference to America, if a few hundred thousand foreign workers get their GCs today or 10 years later. The people America would really be concerned about are outstanding researchers, but then these people fall in the EB1 category which is always current and so they have no cause for complaint. The other category that the US is concerned about is cheap and illegal labor, but that is not related to GCs. So in short, there is nothing about the Eb2/Eb3 GC backlog that America needs to worry about.
The delay causes anxiety & frustration only for us applicants. So the impact is only on us.
America is not bothered about losing outstanding researchers.
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lazycis
05-14 12:46 PM
Can you shed some light on this process? Do "Immigration Litigation" Attorneys be able to help in this?
This person had been posting on Murthy forum and he did get responses from Attorneys that "mandamus" is the way to go.
What is Mandamus and what is difference between what you suggest?
Mandamus is a case where plaintiff is trying to force a government official to perform his/her duty. It's being used when a case is delayed beyond reasonable time frame. See more details here:
http://www.ailf.org/lac/pa/lac_pa_081505.pdf
Wrongful denial is disputed based on the Administrative Procedures Act (“the APA”)
The APA allows reversal of agency action that is “arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law.” 5 U.S.C. � 706(2)(A).
Generally, you cannod dispute I-485 denial unless denial was based on wrong intepretation of applicant's eligibility for AOS. See, e.g. Sepulveda v. Gonzales, 407 F.3d 59, 62-63 (2d Cir. 2005)
http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/76407587-1ac2-4692-9a3e-f644d7d5045b/13/doc/03-40643_opn.pdf
Immigration litigation attorney should be able to help, but it's fairly simple to do on your own as well.
This person had been posting on Murthy forum and he did get responses from Attorneys that "mandamus" is the way to go.
What is Mandamus and what is difference between what you suggest?
Mandamus is a case where plaintiff is trying to force a government official to perform his/her duty. It's being used when a case is delayed beyond reasonable time frame. See more details here:
http://www.ailf.org/lac/pa/lac_pa_081505.pdf
Wrongful denial is disputed based on the Administrative Procedures Act (“the APA”)
The APA allows reversal of agency action that is “arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law.” 5 U.S.C. � 706(2)(A).
Generally, you cannod dispute I-485 denial unless denial was based on wrong intepretation of applicant's eligibility for AOS. See, e.g. Sepulveda v. Gonzales, 407 F.3d 59, 62-63 (2d Cir. 2005)
http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/76407587-1ac2-4692-9a3e-f644d7d5045b/13/doc/03-40643_opn.pdf
Immigration litigation attorney should be able to help, but it's fairly simple to do on your own as well.
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perm2gc
12-03 10:13 AM
I got an email saying that "On December 2, 2010, we ordered production of your new card" today. Me and my wife both got emails. Our wait (green in our life) for so many years came to a very happy end. My hearty wishes to all the friends who have been waiting in the queue to have best of luck.
Regards.
Congrats!!!
Regards.
Congrats!!!
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WeShallOvercome
07-20 05:29 PM
And who says only Matthew Oh has all the right to create sensations ! :)
If you are determined to make sensational calculations and postings then who can stop you, but seriously stop assuming things.
1st assumption: 750000 applicants (realistic figure near 500,000)
2nd assumption: all are adults (why would kids need EAD, and there would be several in that category)
3. it takes only 5 mts could take more or less who knows,
4. work hrs
5. number of people.
Stop being so negative and sensationalizing everything. There are more genuine problems to talk about.
If you are determined to make sensational calculations and postings then who can stop you, but seriously stop assuming things.
1st assumption: 750000 applicants (realistic figure near 500,000)
2nd assumption: all are adults (why would kids need EAD, and there would be several in that category)
3. it takes only 5 mts could take more or less who knows,
4. work hrs
5. number of people.
Stop being so negative and sensationalizing everything. There are more genuine problems to talk about.
mdmd10
07-24 04:03 PM
After all sardarji can make a joke:D
Please refrain from making comments like that! You have no right to stereotype folks. Please remain objective in the discussions.
Please refrain from making comments like that! You have no right to stereotype folks. Please remain objective in the discussions.
ras
07-06 01:28 PM
We just need 20,000 active members to make a change, which is approx 10% of the total number of GC apps pending. At the most 2000 people are active.
If somebody can being in 20,000 active members to this forum, the change will happen.
I dont think all the 20,000 members need to be active every day or every week. What is that you are expecting them to be active every day. If we are not able to pull the crowd, it is not the inability of the crowd but the leadership. Crowd whether it is Indian or other is always like that. It is the effective leadership that makes the difference. For example if you take Martin Luther King, Gandhi or for that matter any leader, it is their speeches/actions that inspired people to involve in the movement not just the people came all by themselves.
If somebody can being in 20,000 active members to this forum, the change will happen.
I dont think all the 20,000 members need to be active every day or every week. What is that you are expecting them to be active every day. If we are not able to pull the crowd, it is not the inability of the crowd but the leadership. Crowd whether it is Indian or other is always like that. It is the effective leadership that makes the difference. For example if you take Martin Luther King, Gandhi or for that matter any leader, it is their speeches/actions that inspired people to involve in the movement not just the people came all by themselves.
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